Stargate RV/Psi Discussion, Yahoo Groups.
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stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Theta
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>So it appears that you would agree at least that theta training is a >productive altered state. Do you see it associated with OOBE's and EVR >like states? Bill, hello! Theta does appear to be associated with OOBE and EVR experiences. Here's the model I find most useful: Theta in the occipital and parietal regions reduces or eliminates processing of information from the outside world through the senses. These processes no longer fill the stage of waking consiousness with material originating from the (conventional) sense organs (vision, audition, and proprioception). Attention shifts toward internal experience. Memory and imaginal processes become more salient as "noise" from external stimuli is reduced. Also, the signal line begins to emerge more reliably. You can think of it as a kind of internal ganzfield. >Finally, ADD people many times suffer spontaneous little >trance like states. These are not petit mal,, not seizures, but their >attention is totally captured by something in the environment or a >thought. Is this the presence of the Theta state? And Are ADD's more >psychic when in this state? This is probably caused by theta activity in the prefrontal area, which is the executive center for attention control. There is some research with aircraft pilots demonstrating this, and also some work with inattentiveness in long-distance drivers. My own work with ADD clients suggests that theta in ADD is associated more with inefficiency than anything else. Notice that we are talking again about theta in two different regions of the brain. Theta means the same thing: the brain region is inactive. But the effect on consciousness is different because the brain centers involved have different functions. Best regards, Michael stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Rving the future
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Thank you MaryD Your comments about internal movements are very helpful to me. I am aware that I also use 'mind switches' -- If I switch my eyes up-left, up-right, left, or right, down-left, down-right -- I can access different parts of the energy/information grid. But I am not able to work out/observe how I do it, because it happens when I am aware but yet in an altered state, so whem I try to observe what I'm doing, I knock me out of the state... I see images or symbols in the aura sometimes, and sometime I cannot access them no matter how hard I try. It's very frustrating... Joyce stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Theta
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>Bill: Michael can you give a reference to learning that technique. I >would like to experiemnt with it? Bill, The technique is called the Patton(tm) protocol. Here is a citation for some of the research. There is additional unpublished research that has been presented at recent neurofeedback conferences. Patton, R. Optimizing Athletic Skils with EEG Training (1996). Journal of Interdisciplinary Research in Physical Education, 1996, 1(2), 39-56. Best Regards, Michael stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Theta
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At 03:18 PM 8/2/98 -0700, (BILL) wrote: Hi Michael, So it appears that you would agree at least that theta training is a productive altered state. Do you see it associated with OOBE's and EVR like states?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my 2 cents. .. . . . . of course theta is a "productive'"altered state. (ERV) ( give me a break etc) When I view a high energy target I go to theta to "know".... Read that. To ..... "KNOW". You (I) will find everything, or all data in theta... BUT you must master the delicate balance... :-) (delta-theta) to recall. Period. .................. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Finally, ADD people many times suffer spontaneous little trance like states. These are not petit mal,, not seizures, but their attention is totally captured by something in the environment >>>>>>> ...........OBEs?.... (try beta-delta)... go WITHIN not without..... dont force it dont fight it.................. ( you get a headache.) blah blah blahs...... etc. etc. At 03:18 PM 8/2/98 -0700, you wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Bill, hello! Theta does appear to be associated with OOBE and EVR experiences. Here's the model I find most useful: Theta in the occipital and parietal regions reduces or eliminates processing of information from the outside world through the senses.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...... OBE huh? ERV yes..... (just do it) <<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>> ............Of course left brain (bypass) (occupy) (nullify). right brain (knowns)etc..... >>>>>> Attention shifts toward internal experience.>>>>>>>>>> .......Yes go within........... get simple. (basic) >>>>>>> Memory and imaginal processes become more salient as "noise" from external stimuli is reduced. Also, the signal line begins to emerge more reliably. You can think of it as a kind of internal ganzfield.>>>> .......agreed, now go get some ERV training, then go figure... :-) (gosh you guys are smart) my 2 cents ... big smiles..... ~T~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Quote in your book
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Lyn Hello. :) I'll have'ta get a copy in my hands to see if it includes your classic 'time quote' bug on pond water.. Probably does. ;) Book ISBN is 0=425-16509-4 The Psychic Paradigm :) Again, thanks Lyn, and all who contributed their thoughts on 'time' past and present. Bevy J U.S. Psi Squad: stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
squeezeing stage4!
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Hi Darryl and all; Liam here. > Hi again, nice to see all the chat on "Future" starting to fade a >little... I'll second that. I was actually going to write sometime similar last night, but I knew you would be writing today about it. > > I personally love the stage 4 matrix, I really like that by this stage you >have a good repartoir with the target and that stage 4 allows you freedom of >the target but..One of the questions I'd like to hear from the ex-military >guy's is if they have any tips for sqeezing a little more data from the >stage 4 matrix. > Once again, I agree with you Darryl. Stage 4 is where everything starts coming together. Really neat. It is where you can really see the Magic at work.The secret to get the most out of stage 4, IMO, is the same as for the rest of CRV and ERV. PRACTICE!!! At the project we worked sites constantly. If there weren't any Operational sites , we worked practice sites. The more you work, the better you get. At the risk of taking some FLAK, let me add that even when you get good at Stage 4, you need to keep working sites. A small break will not hurt you, it may even help. But it has been my experience, that if you try to work CRV only every now and then, you stage 4s go to S##T. Because of my teaching and monitoring and my real job, I do not get to work many practice sites. Most of the sites I work are operational. So I am not getting a lot of practice. I find that I am getting less specific information then I would if I was working on a regular basis. In addition, the last operational site I worked the information did not come in any connected manner. I was just picking up a bunch of data, that may or may not have been related. When stage 4 is going good it goes something like this Structure large multi-storied natural materials scientific feeling research electronics military use secret hidden facade false front etc, etc When I do not work on a regular basis the data just comes in helter skelter. Last operational site I worked, I got so frustrated, that I re-worked the site ERV. Thanks for the question. I am sure there are those out there who will disagree. I based my answer on my personal experience and from watching my students. slainte thanks for changing the subject May the Force be with you Liam stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Future Yaana
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Dear Electrix and Yaana, Ladies ( I assume that Electrix is a female), please! we need you both. No use getting all heated up over free will, unless one of you was burned at the stake in a past life over this issue. It will be around for a long time to come. Anybody that still wants to fight can always email Gene K. Best to you both, Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Theta
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Hello Michael, You seem to have to very interesting information at your disposal. I always wanted to quiz a psi-Psych. PhD. Just one more question for now. So what is the best training methods you have found for inducing theta in the occipital and parietal areas and inducing OOBE and EVR like states. Or if that is not possible, what is the best training to block out what the RVers call AOL (or analytically scrambling the psi signal with intellectual "overlays"). That is my own ( and many others) downfall in this area. Best Regards, Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Moderated RV listserve
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Please subscribe Catalyst@... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Rving the future
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Joyce: Thanks Bill. The symbols in the aura and healing are very interesting to me too. I am a retired intensive care nurse and ... Well I am preparing to go out of town, and away from internet, for 2 to 4 weeks. Wo will get back to you when I return. I like your 'Warm Regards'! Warm Regards, Joyce stargate : Message: [stargate]
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(Snip) > I will moderate an RV list like PJ's if enough people want me to.(snip) Dear Jerry, What kind of list are you thinking of opening up? How will it be different than P.J.'s current list? Are you dissatisfied with the Stargate list? Just curious... Jane stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Theta
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Teri wrote: my 2 cents ... big smiles..... ~T~ Hey one of your smiles is worth a Million bucks, but I must ask if you actually measured your brain wavelenths going into ERV or it just feels like theta-beta. Also saying "go within" may mean alot to you who goes OOBE just for lunch, but to me, its a bible quote and carries little information. So could you expound a little on what you actually FEEL when you go within and find this delicate balance between theta and delta, beautiful. And be gentle. I'm sensitive. Warm Regards, Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Apology to Electrix
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Hold it, my apologies, Electrix notified me HE was a male. I'm very sorry. As you see my mind reading is pathetic. Bill stargate : Message: [stargate]
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Hi Folks, OK, I'm biting the bullet now (crunch,crunch). I got quite a bit of benefit from PJ's listserve. I admired her moderators style and felt that we were spared a load of "junk", because she kept a close eye on postings. I will moderate an RV list like PJ's if enough people want me to. In other words, each posting will be reviewed, edited if appropriate, or bounced if off-topic. Yes, it's a ton of work, but I prefer that format, as I assume most of you do. Please send me an email - jmpople@... - if you want me to start this. I will put you on the mailing list and we can begin. Jerry stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Rving the future
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>I see images or symbols in the aura sometimes, and sometime I cannot >access them no matter how hard I try. It's very frustrating... > >Joyce > Bill: Hi Joyce, the symbols in the aura are very interesting to me since I took Rob Abbotts class on Energy Healing ( the most interesting class I ever took). He taught us to feel disease states in the aura by touch. I wonder if the symbols you see could be related. With your permission I will forward your comments to Rob and post his reply. Best Regards, Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Moderated RV listserve
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>I got quite a bit of benefit from PJ's listserve. I admired her moderators >style and felt that we were spared a load of "junk", because she kept a >close eye on postings. Jerome, I can ASSURE you I do closely monitor this BBS! And as for the recent argument on the list, I contacted those individuals privately. I may be low-key, but I assure you I monitor and read ALL emails to the Star Gate list. If there is any "junk" in particular you're referring to, let me know what it is. I have received no complaints. If people have a problem with the Star Gate list, please contact me privately about it. If people have a problem with a person on this list, again, contact me privately. Also, I originally proposed we'd eventually split this Star Gate list into two lists. Perhaps it is time to review that again. If people would like a moderated RV list, just shout and we can go and create it. Last time I proposed this people said nay. Any takers this time? Best regards, Steve. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< If there is any "junk" in particular you're referring to, let me know what it is. I have received no complaints. If people have a problem with the Star Gate list, please contact me privately about it. If people have a problem with a person on this list, again, contact me privately. >> I am sticking with Steve...thanks anyhow... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Apology to Electrix
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<< I'm very sorry. As you see my mind reading is pathetic. Bill >>>>>>>> . . . . Giggles giggles giggles all over the place. (SORRY) I was waiting for this post. No Bill, your mind reading is not pathetic, just try sensing the beings energies sometimes instead of minds. Electrix radiates some very fine masculine energy, alert, introspective, intelligent, gentle. There have been a few times when Electrix has talked to me I have sensed the wee boy come out full of curiosity, playful, fresh. I also sense that he is, or will be a great RVer, ERV of course. :-) ~T~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Energy
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>just try sensing the beings energies sometimes instead of minds........ >~T~ Damn Teri, there you go again. What in Taurtauras is reading a persons "energy". I can feel the energy in an aura. But this seems entirely different. You have to talk slow and careful to us Big Heads Irresistable! Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Energy
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Damn Teri, there you go again. What in Taurtauras is reading a persons "energy". I can feel the energy in an aura. But this seems entirely different. >> . . . . Well, now ya have me hysterics.. thanks I needed that.. Love to feel your energy when you get all riled up. I didn't say read a persons energy, I said 'sense'. Just close your eyes, push that big old analytical left brain away, tell it to hush, just sense, feel, know. Forget trying to 'read' and figure figure figure. You are trying to sense non physical energy, use your non physical self-essence to do this, it the only way it gonna work. You are not to going figure out non physical phenomena via physical physics.. Bill you can feel my energy flow across this keyboard and come out thru these written words cant you? What do you sense when I write you... Angel, come and feel the gentle graceful ebb and flow of energy as I... etc. etc. And now feel when I write, Bill you nasty discussing old so and so, get the h-e double toothpicks out of my space and time... etc etc. big smile ~T~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Theta
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<< Hey one of your smiles is worth a Million bucks, . . . . I'll take that in large bills if you dont mind... :-) <> . . . . sigh... I have enough trouble measuring my height and width :-) let alone my brain or the lengths it will go to... No my brain is untested territory. Also really I couldn't care less about tests and testing, I just do it and every time I hit a target I am amazed, thats proof enough for me, and 'me' is all I want to please. . . . . <> . . . . I have spent hundreds of hours listening to hemi-sync tapes, and I feel I have a pretty good grasp or 'known' as to what state I'm in . . . << Also saying "go within" may mean alot to you who goes OOBE just for lunch,>> . . . . I cant just sit or lay down and experience an OOB, I had the experience many many times when I was young, now they are few and far between. . . . << but to me, its a bible quote and carries little information. So could you expound a little on what you actually FEEL when you go within>> . . . .It has been my experience now (not when I was young) that to have or do the OOB I go within. I have had this experience a few times with recollection, I am in an altered state, alpha maybe delta, and when you are in an altered state you are 'within' a space that feels unlimited open free huge, and I have found 'myself'? doing 3, 90 degree turns to the right and next thing I realize I am out of body.. (I seem to roll and unlock) I find myself in our outer space, with pristine clarity. Other times I have experienced being compacted? (feels like I fall in further and further) 3 times, 'within' and then I realize I am out, or out of body. Some other times I have been hit by what I call 'shifts', these shifts are jarring enough, hard enough, you feel like you have been hit by a linebacker. Altered states, go within and get out. I cant sit up in my 'astral'? body, out up or thru my physical body, I cant become a white wisp and ooze out of a hole in the top of my head. My attempts in the past, at leaving my body thru my head, flow out, push out, break out, leave me with read eyes and a migraine. yuck. Something's not working here for me. On the other hand I really dont care too much about having the OOBE anymore, since learning the magics of RV, I just shift my view point or my point of view to what I want to see. <> ... I find when I move myself somewhere between delta theta and remain aware, tricky, I seem to just know, or get 'knows' of a site this way. Warmies ~T~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Theta
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On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:37:51 EDT, AquaSerene@... wrote: >....Other times I have experienced being >compacted? (feels like I fall in further and further) 3 times, 'within' >and then I realize I am out, or out of body. Almost like you're becoming smaller and more dense...sort of like folding in on yourself? I'll have to pay attention to the number of times ...hehe..it's sort of like you're being oragami'd. Thanks for writing that Terri...everyone I ever told about that particular feeling looked at me like I was nuts or something ;-) Siochain, Vikki stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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I enjoy the list as it is now. Any group discussion will get out of hand now and then but I think we can tolerate a little delay via e-mail communication since we are not within earshot of a gavel or whistle. If people stick with the headers, those not interested inthe topic can ignore it. (wish I could...after a day or two I just gotta go see what the fuss is about ) Rich stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< I enjoy the list as it is now. Any group discussion will get out of hand now and then >> . . . . . ditto. ~Terri~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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yes Jerry. I think this might be a good idea. Bevy J stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Moderated RV listserve
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Steve: In my opinion, you are doing a wonderful job with the Stargate Postings. There is a fine distinction between just running letters and overseeing 'rules of order'. If someone wants to do another list, as JP suggested, it is also a good idea, as perhaps new people will be drawn in to the other lists, then they can add to Stargate, which can't be all bad.. :) I don't think you should split the list, no, as in the past some thought that the VWR list was elitist and the PSI list was too new to be categorized at all. :) I do think that we need a constant supply of new 'readers' and 'posters' as we seem to have a fine crop of lurkers whichever way we go. It's like going to church...you have to put something in the bucket now and then... right? :) When I am working on a new book I may not be able to show up regularly, and I am in crunch time on the inkwells/antique fountain pens book right now with another yelling at me from the wings... :) But most of us seem to try hard to follow up everything as best we can. So, don't change anything just yet. Bevy J stargate : Message: [stargate]
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hi steve now that the UT site is down mybe u can make a target section in your site.... just an idea Eyal stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< now that the UT site is down mybe u can make a target section in your site.... just an idea >> . . . . perhaps Gene can put up another target for us to view ? :-) ---- stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Forw. from Rob Abbott to Joyce
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Rob's reply to Joyce comment about cryptic symbols in auras. Hi Bill, No I haven't posted on Stargate list yet. I haven't signed up for it yet. Good job on the pain removal. Keep working on the hand, after a few treatments it will start a rapid form of healing. Insert the normal program into the energy and it will stimulate the healing process. Good job my friend. Without a program the blue takes the pain away fairly rapidly. Hey, wanted to ask you about the possibility of whether you would know someone at Swedich Hospital who is controlling the Herceptin lottery program. I have a patient who is in great need of it. Her cancer is compatible with it. I am looking for a string to pull somewhere for her. I am even willing to help put money into the treatment for her. If you could help in this regard, by helping me with a name or something that might help her get into the trial, I would sure appreciate whatever any help you can provide me. Thanks, Rob Yeah... great job. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Theta
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>My one OOBE was exactly like that, I thought I was being compacted, >shaken, electrocuted , and crammed into my head...literally! Hi Bill....when it happens to me it's not a violent thing, it's very gentle sort of like how flower petals unfurl..only in reverse. ...it's rather pleasant actually....I feel really tiny. Almost like if you were becoming a rock or something. That heavy dense feeling is present. When I was a little girl I would have a reoccurring dream of something like railroad ties (that's the only object I can equate it to)...small at first, but moving towards me fast and getting larger as they moved closer. That was kind of a panicy feeling...like being overwhelmed. I don't know if other folks have had a similar thing happen to them or not...or really what that was all about. I've had the operating room hover thing happen ...that was cool. It happened when they used ether as the anesthetic. I don't know if that was the cause or not, but it's never happened with any surgeries since. Who knows? The experience itself wasn't scary and I watched the doctors from a point above...sort of a detached feeling...just watching and sort of curious. That's about all I remember...except for waking up in the recovery room with the taste of the ether in my mouth..very yuck! ;-) Siochain, Vikki stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Theta
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Hello Vikki, My one OOBE was exactly like that, I thought I was being compacted, shaken, electrocuted , and crammed into my head...literally! I would bet many people have that sort of start. Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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There are 3 targets a week published on the HVG site. Anyone sending in a summary or faxing their work to the Target committee before the target is revealed can be published for a hit. All remote viewers are welcome, these targets are not just for our students. Aloha Yaana stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>hi steve Hi eyal! >now that the UT site is down mybe u can make a target section in your >site.... > >just an idea I like the idea - thanks, eyal! I've been getting a few mails asking for this kind of thing lately. I am seriously thinking about setting up a full-blown experiment or series of experiments, similar to what the UT skeptics did on their site, only.. with a different approach, different aims. I don't want to "spill the beans" just yet, but if plans work out.. not only will there be a target section for those who want to try out their skills, but on top of that, they'll also be a section for those people who like to get down-and-dirty with the data.. :) So, you may just get your wish, Eyal! It's nice to know that there are folks out there interested in doing this sort of thing, though. I'll tell more once I have some more definite plans. Stay tuned! Cheers, Steve. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Theta
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Hi Vikky, Thanks for sharing your OOBE. I never tire of hearing about them,and hope to have some more extended ones someday. Let me know if you find the secret key. The ether thing was possibly becasue it slowed yourheart down. Actually I here their quite common when Ketamine is used as anesthetic, but I keep trying to have one natural. Please keep in touch if you have any more. Warm Regards, Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Ugh! Sorry about the mess in my last post everyone.. looks like my mail program decided to make a mess of things. Hope y'all could work out what I was trying to say! :) Rgds, Steve. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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yanna thanks but when i qas at your site i got the impression its for students only... Eyal stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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. . . . perhaps Gene can put up another target for us to view ? :-) >> OK...if that is the way you want to play... This will be another dimensional target...have fun.... 00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098 Provide the "Stargate" site with a list of the impressions as they occur...regardless of how long the list might be...Do not label or name anything you put on the list...DOOOOO call out any AOL's / Aw Gee; (Aethetic Impacts)...Wow's (Emotional Impacts) by noting whay you are feeling that causes these "AI's or EI's"...Make the list as soon as possible after the session (minutes if possible)...and make free sketches if you feel images coming to mind...let the pencil do the walking not your conscious brain...You need to also put down a nice narrative paragraph of your impressions...again do not name the objects or impressions or images...and do not label them....DO NOT GO BACK to the site when you return....If enough folks come back with nice answers, I may (MAY!!!) give you a second set of coordinates so you can go back for a second trip... Ghengis Gene...the Monitor from Hell... OK...the gauntlet has been picked up... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Well we will have to post another notice, we welcome all viewers :) The only targets eledigble for publication are those submitted before then target is released, but there are many good targets available. Aloha Yaana eyal wrote: > yanna thanks but when i qas at your site i got the impression its for > students only... > > Eyal stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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The only targets eledigble for publication are those submitted before then target is released, but there are many good targets available. Aloha Yaana >> Wow what a statement.....you make it sound like there is this big long secret list of targets somewhere that are "approved" or "good" and perhaps a similar list that are not "approved" and therefore not "good". Balderdash .. anything ANYTHING can be a target...You could target the Empire State Building or the pen sitting next to my lap top as I write this note...a target is just that a target...Do you think that I, (as a teacher and monitor) spend days or even hours researching and confirming targets...do you think I have great files on these or little opaque envelopes sealed and stashed somewhere so that "energies" can't get to them...double balderdash...I never write down a target and most definitely never put a picture of a target inside stupid little envelopes....If I did that, I would be asking the Viewer to target the envelope and the picture inside...and that is not the target...People who feel the need to use these type of props simply do not understand or accept the magic of Remote Viewing...Sorrry for the rant...but Eyal is trying to understand this thing we call RV and he is getting lots of bad advice...just thought I would add to his confusion with some advice from teacher..."those who cannot...teach"... Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>envelopes....If I did that, I would be asking the Viewer to target the >envelope and the picture inside...and that is not the target...People who feel >the need to use these type of props simply do not understand or accept the >magic of Remote Viewing.... Good Point Gene. Do you remember the target I gave you of Lincoln? I had nothing written down... no damned little envelopes and you nailed it flat out. For me... when I see those tasking number.. it is like feeling the combination numbers on a safe clicking into place.. and I just zoom in. I don't need a picture in an envelope. I suppose that could be useful if you were tasking blindly and needed to be able to confirm what the target was that you gave.. but a few written words of what it was would work as well. (that is provided that the VWR is not viewing feedback .. but the is an entirely new argument to get into.. hehehehe) ~Sarah stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>files on these or little opaque envelopes sealed and stashed somewhere so that >"energies" can't get to them....... I heard that they were in a water proof case dropped into a secret Lock in Ireland. All sealed with drops of blood from virgin greeneyed Celtic Maidens. .... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Aloha, I think most would agree that a target is just what it says, A TARGET. I would add that in the interest of housekeeping, Honesty, Validation, Chain of Custody and organization that refference data in the form of a target package is a foundation of an anlytical method. Any first year analyst would throw up his hands at such a willy nilly effort to teach that did not include the administrative support. Aloha Glenn At 09:04 AM 8/5/98 PDT, you wrote: > >do you think I have great >>files on these or little opaque envelopes sealed and stashed somewhere >so that >>"energies" can't get to them...double balderdash... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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> thought I would add to his confusion with some advice from teacher..."those > who cannot...teach"... > Gene... hummmmm... hope you having a better day today :) By good target I meant a target with interesting but validatable aspects, that is a personal opinion not a professional pronouncement, I will leave those to the people with many years of experience. Two qualities I find useful as a student building confidence in my work, are interesting targets, and the ability to checked to see if my data is congruent with the target. Not everyone has a monitor or instructor close at hand, to provide targets or feed back on a regular basis. My invitation to visit HRVG's site and shoot the targets, was not intended as a judgment or a competition, just information for anyone looking for a target list, which was what started this thread. If Steve puts up a target section, or if you post targets, the more the merrier, I know people who shoot several targets a week and are always looking for a new source . The reference to eligibility, is only referring to chain of custody on un-released targets for those who might wish to have their work published on the HRVG site. I agree with you, anything can be a target. Each RV group has a different system for choosing, cueing and handling targets, more than likely just an arbitrary administrative system created for orderliness, until we evolve to your level where such crutches are no longer needed. I reread my post and Im not quite sure what set you off, I hope this clarification is of help, if not you might try getting back into bed and get out on the other side, or your whole day could be unnecessearly upsetting :) Aloha Yaana stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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Analog Science Fiction & Fact Magazine "The Alternate View" columns of John G. Cramer Dear Electrix, You asked for some books on the multiple worlds model of quantum mechanics. I went to a real physicists ( Dr. John Cramer at the univ. of washington) and lifted this discussion from his web site. This is a little old but quite accurate I believe. I also think you would enjoy reading other posts on Johns website. He writes an article on borderland physics for the magazine Analogue and posts it on his website. These are all in straight English without math ( for the most part) and fun to read. They include this article and many on faster than light possiblities et. His site (for the analogue articles)is: http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/av_index_sub.html Yours Truly, Bill Other Universes II by John G. Cramer Alternate View Column AV-03 Keywords: alternate, universes, quantum, Everett-Wheeler, many-worlds, interpretation Published in the November-1984 issue of Analog Science Fiction & Fact Magazine; This column was written and submitted 4/6/84 and is copyrighted 1984, John G. Cramer. All rights reserved. No part may be reproduced in any form without the explicit permission of the author. This page now has an access count of: In the fullness of Creation, do other universes exist? Are there alternate worlds where history is not the same? Where in 1912 the RMS Titanic sailed into New York harbor intact? Where the American Revolution was lost to Spanish colonies? Where the Renaissance never occurred, and the Middle Ages have never ended? Where Christ and Mohammed were never born, and the Roman Empire never fell? Where there was no large asteroid impact(s) to kill the dinosaurs and end the Cretaceous, and evolved dinosaur descendants are Earth's dominant life form? My previous Alternate View column (ANALOG 9/84) described the widely accepted "inflationary scenario" of modern cosmology in which our Universe is just one among very many "bubble universes", all popping out of the general medium of the Big Bang like bubbles forming in a glass of beer. Somewhere perhaps there are many universes more or less like ours, some very similar to and others radically different from the universe we call "home". This time we examine quite a different basis for the possible existence of alternate universes: The Everett-Wheeler interpretation of quantum mechanics. This rival of the orthodox "Copenhagen" interpretation of the mathematics of quantum mechanics is the work of the well known theoretical physicist Professor John A. Wheeler and his PhD student Hugh Everett, III, both of whom were at Princeton University when the work was done. Their theory also goes under the name of the "many-worlds" interpretation. To understand the basis for this work we shall look at some of the curious and perverse features of the mathematics of quantum mechanics and the problem of its interpretation. Quantum mechanics (QM) was invented in the early decades of this century to explain a growing body of new experimental facts which didn't fit with the older ideas of "the way things work" which we now call "classical mechanics". The new QM treated particles (like electrons) as if they were waves and treated waves (like light) as if they were particles. A group of physicists led by Bohr, Heisenberg, Schroedinger and Dirac devised clever mathematical ways of "getting the right answer" with quantum mechanics through a set of mathematical procedures which are now used and trusted by all physicists. The use of these procedures is clear and unambiguous. But even now, five decades after their invention, their meaning remains controversial. One often hears that "mathematics is the language of science". Quantum mechanics illustrates the point that this language may lack a proper translation. Formulating a mathematical theory is not the same as understanding its full meaning. The meaning of the QM mathematics has recently become a subject of intense activity and controversy among physicists (including me), as it had been for decades among philosophers of science. In the orthodox Copenhagen interpretation, the QM mathematics describes not physical events but rather the knowledge of an observer who is watching these events. Equations about mass, energy and momentum are supposedly making predictions about things that happen in the observer's mind! This, as one might expect, leads to problems. The Everett-Wheeler approach is an unorthodox alternative which seeks to avoid these problems. Let's consider an example: A radioactive atom decays, spitting out a rapidly moving electron. In the QM picture of this event a wave corresponding to this electron spreads out from the parent atom in all directions, moving out as an ever-widening sphere, like a ring of ripples from a stone thrown into a pond. The electron is equally present in all parts of the wave. It is "buttered out" over the whole wave front. Finally this wave reaches a second atom which is hit by the electron. Immediately the electron wave undergoes a process called "collapse". This collapse resembles the pricking of a soap bubble, for the wave completely disappears from all of space except the immediate vicinity of the struck atom. There the electron suddenly pops into existence, reappearing as a particle which has just hit the atom. The electron in the form of an expanding wave has vanished. What if this kind of behavior was also seen in the macroscopic world of everyday experience? Imagine that you stand at a dock on the Manhattan waterfront and toss a beer bottle into the Hudson River. The ripples from the beer bottle spread out across the Atlantic to Southampton, Le Harve, and Lisbon, pass the Straights of Gibraltar and spread across the Mediterranean. Suddenly at the waterfront at Nice a beer bottle jumps out of the water to land on the pebble beach in front of the Carlton Hotel. And simultaneously all the ripples which have been spreading elsewhere around the world abruptly disappear!! If such an event happened, the beer bottle in the everyday world would be behaving the way all electrons do in the microscopic world. This is what the QM mathematics seems to be telling us. It seems a very strange way to get from one place to another!! And it is only one of many examples of the weirdness of quantum behavior. Most physicists regard this kind of microscopic behavior as normal and refuse to worry about it. They associate collapse with the "knowledge change" occurring when an observer learns an electron's location. Since quantum mechanics works, they use it without being unduly concerned about the bizarre microscopic behavior suggested by the equations. But a few have tried to look more deeply into what quantum mechanics is trying to tell us about the reality behind those useful equations. One such was Albert Einstein, who never accepted quantum mechanics because he found its interpretation unsatisfactory. Another is Hugh Everett III, who found it "unreal that there should be a 'magic' process in which something quite drastic occurred (the collapse of the wave), while at other times systems were assumed to obey perfectly natural continuous laws." Everett did his PhD dissertation at Princeton on the problem of finding an alternative interpretation of quantum mechanics which did not involve collapsing waves or observer knowledge. The result was the Everett-Wheeler interpretation of quantum mechanics mentioned above. It embodies a simple but radical idea. According to Everett's description of the electron event, the wave never collapses. Instead, at every occasion where the electron might strike one atom or another, the universe splits! We have one universe where the electron hits atom A, another where it hits atom B, and so on for all of its possible outcomes. Similarly, if a light photon might be transmitted or reflected, if a radioactive atom might decay or not, the universe fragments and we get one new universe for each and every possible outcome. The universe, then, is like a tree, branching and re-branching into a myriad of new sub-universes with each passing picosecond. And each of these new Everett-Wheeler (E-W) universes has a slightly different sub-atomic "history". Since our present consciousness happens to have followed one particular path through the diverse branches of this Universe-Tree, we never perceive the splitting but instead interpret the resolution of the myriad of possibilities into a particular outcome as an abrupt "collapse". Microscopic events, of course, lead to consequences on a larger scale. Somewhere there should be E-W universes in which every physically possible event that could occur has occurred! There should be universes where Man never evolved, where Carthage defeated Rome, where Hitler won, where your present location is a smoking radioactive ruin of World War III. Even as you read this sentence the universe should be fragmenting into a number of branches too large to count. The Everett-Wheeler interpretation has not been received with overwhelming enthusiasm by most physicists. It is regarded as multiplying hypotheses beyond necessity, as William of Occam put it. It is not widely accepted, but it is much discussed. Many physicists consider it unlikely that nature would behave in such a schizophrenic way. Many find it harder to swallow the multi-universe idea than to accept the collapse of the waves. But perhaps the most serious criticism of the Everett-Wheeler interpretation is that its predictions for the outcome of experiments do not differ from those of the orthodox Copenhagen interpretation. Therefore it is an untestable theory. Scientific theories are normally worth considering only when experimental tests might prove them wrong. Otherwise a theory is metaphysics, philosophy or myth, but it is not subject to the scientific method and therefore not science. But let's lay aside these worries, assume that there really are alternate Everett-Wheeler worlds somewhere, and ask some questions: Q: Could E-W universes be the same as "bubble universes"? No. The bubble universes should have separated themselves from the medium of the Big Bang in the first picosecond, and thereafter should remain completely unconnected (unless they happen to bump together). They can't be the same as E-W universes. Q: How might one manage to go from one E-W universe to another? I can only speculate. QM allows physical systems to "leak" from one state to another (example: the alpha-particle decay of uranium-238), so perhaps one could "leak" into an alternate universe, particularly one which was locally very similar to ours. Or given a time machine (a big "given") one might travel back in time to a split-point, then travel forward along another E-W branch to an alternate version of the present. Q: E-W universes split only going from past to future; doesn't this time asymmetry contradict an important principle of microphysics? Yes it does. But the Everett-Wheeler interpretation can be generalized to a more time-symmetric form by including a "healing" of splits whenever two E-W universes accidentally become completely identical. This is a fascinating idea in its own right. It leads me to assert the Historical Uncertainty Principle: All versions of history which are physically possible and consistent with the present state of our world are equally true and have equally led to the present along various E-W branch universes which healed together to make the present. There is no "right" account of the recent or distant past; all consistent versions are equally correct. (Just think of the implications of that for historians and lawyers!!) Q: But do you really believe any of this? The "bubble universes" I find quite acceptable. But for me the Everett-Wheeler interpretation lacks the "feel" of validity and itself raises too many problems. To be fair though, I am not really an unbiased critic because I have my own published unorthodox interpretation of QM mathematics. But that I will save for another AV column in some future universe. REFERENCES: H. Everett, III, Reviews of Modern Physics 29, 454 (1957). J. A. Wheeler, Reviews of Modern Physics 29, 463 (1957). B. S. DeWitt, Physics Today 23 #9, 30 (September, 1970), and the comments in Physics Today 24 #4 and #11 (1971). B. S. DeWitt and N. Graham, eds., The Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics, Princeton University Press, Princeton (1973). M. Jammer, The Philosophy of Quantum Mechanics, pp.507-21, Wiley-Interscience, New York (1974). stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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thanks steve!! if u could make that sessions that sent will be published and there will e whole of fame for those that got close hit that would be great Eyal stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>OK...if that is the way you want to play... >This will be another dimensional target...have fun.... > what the auther mean when he say " dimensional target" thanks Eyal stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>I heard that they were in a water proof case dropped into a secret Lock >in Ireland. All sealed with drops of blood from virgin greeneyed Celtic >Maidens. .... > >Hi Bill, Liam here Just a small note of clarification. While all Celtic Maidens are virgins, they are not necessarily green eyed. They are all obviously beautiful. Just a small thing, but I thought I had better clarify so there were no understandings. slainte May the force be with you Liam stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>Just a small note of clarification. ..[remainder snipped].. Hahahaha....go raibh maith agat, Liam ;-) Siochain, Vikki stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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I posted this with the wrong heading.( target site) which must have been confusing...so here it is again with a more appropriate heading > >Dear Electrix, > >You asked for some books on the multiple worlds model of quantum >mechanics. I went to a real physicists ( Dr. John Cramer at the univ. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>Just a small note of clarification. While all Celtic Maidens are virgins, >they are not necessarily green eyed. They are all obviously beautiful. >Just a small thing, but I thought I had better clarify so there were no >understandings. > >slainte >May the force be with you >Liam I'm gonna get in trouble again...but you have tempted me beyond retraint: Of course I understand that all Celtic women are beautiful and virgins ( amazing how the population keeps growing despite this).BUT....I have it on good authority that Gene only uses Green eyed ones for his sacrificial rites AND.... I note that you are married to a beautiful Virgin American-Indian Princess.....You had best not talk up Irish maidens to much. nuff said: Best Regards, Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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>answers, I may (MAY!!!) give you a second set of coordinates so you can go >back for a second trip... >Ghengis Gene...the Monitor from Hell... > Session Content: S1 - Natural, Structure, Water clear, open, spacious, - AOL BK-Heavens, Galaxies - dark blue, violet, indigo, white, spotted, dark luminance,purple, burgundy, deep, foggy (s4?), blurry, misty, changing (S4?), motion, fluidic, gaseous, - AOL BK -gaseous planet, AOL BK-Bimini Atol, white, grey, blowing, whooshing sounds, grey blue, smooth, AOL BK -'something morphing into form/shape' , steel grey, navy grey, porous, airy, spacious, whirling, looping, repeating, undulating, swirling, spinning, AOL BK - tornado, AI BK - 'I feel dizzy' 'I feel involved', AOL BK - Violent natural event (NAG) AOL BK Castle Building Suspect (CBS), thin, permeable, gaseous, AOL BK - Debris in air, rising upward, lifting, (sketched something like a popped pimple), tan, taupe, grey, spacious, misty, (Now in S4) Tangible - 'Stuff in air' AOL BK - Mt St Helens, (S6 move to present time) Ideograms - people, natural, motion, water, structure. Sensories- grey-green, smooth, pale, milky, misty, Intangibles- delicate, precious, fragile, reverence, dark blue, water, deep, dark luminance, cold blackish, bluishblack, AOL BK - Titanic, sharp pointed, angular, murky, taupe, AOL BK - Bismarck, Tangibles- Structure (steel, big, strong, heavy, compressed) AOL BK - CBS on Sunken Ship - Took a Drive Break. Resume - At significant time of structure- cold, dark, dark greyblue, creamy, straight, flat, sheeted, walling, greygreen, thin, wispy, misty, airy, spacious, tan, green, smooth, horizontal, tall walling, rectangular, cornered, blunted, muted luminance, 'soupy' murky, S6 present time- Intangibles- Barren vacated, voided, emptied, solitude, rememberance, recollections, memory, reverence, AOL BK - Pearl Harbor - USS Arizona, S6 significant time Emotions at the site- fast paced, jerky, responsive, excited, frightened, alerted, D- tall, flat, airy, S- smokey, murky, T- Moving smoke, Emotions again- serious, certain, fatalistic, direct, important, focused, significant, Describe Motion- big, laboring, massive, hard, unstoppable, Intangibles (Purpose of Target?)- transport, cause, travel, move, 'en route', S6 to Just Before event - Emotions at the site- peaceful, reserved, cautious, apprenhensive, curious, Site Sensories/Intangibles- pale blue, pleasant, bright, white, blue, soft, peaceful, calm, placid pristine, Tangibles- Land/Water Interface, bright luminance, S6 Timeline- Event timing- apx 900-1002 AD. Duration- apx 50 yrs. S6 Clay - looks like a mushroom or bell. AOL BK Space Capsule Session Summary: The target is a manmade structure which now represents an event of the past. The structure is mushroom or bell shaped metallic object with a rounded conical top. There is an additional structure which is tall rectangular, pointed, angular, sheeted, flat and metallic. The event included a lot of swirling, smokey, murky, misty motions which filled the view field with varying degrees of hampered vision. There is water at the site. The event caused caused significant changes in shapes and forms. The event had big violent, massive, unstoppable motions. The people who experienced it were calm and peaceful prior to event, but suddenly became frightened and alerted. The event included a powerful rising and uplifting force on matter. People at present time think of site in a somber, reverant, and reflective manner. There is a barren, voided, loss feeling about the event. The purpose of the target was to transport, travel, move, and be 'en route'. The timeline places event around 950 AD with a 50 year duration. End Summary: End Session: stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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In a message dated 8/5/98 12:45:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, skyemberr@... writes: << Good Point Gene. Do you remember the target I gave you of Lincoln? I had nothing written down... no damned little envelopes and you nailed it flat out. >> Hello Skyemberr...glad to see Steve finally allowed you on the net..now all hell will break loose...I now have two of my former students on the net Steve...I have enough for a quorum...nobody can come at me now..I will sic my students on them...hahah BTW...For those of you that still question the issue of future RV'ing...when Skyemberr gave me the assassination of Abraham Lincoln as a target...obviously all she gave me was a coordinate...anyhow...I did come to what turned out to be Ford's Theater...at the point of assassination...being a good soldier, attempted to ward off what I perceived only as deadly danger to a good man from an evil man...I stuck out my hand and was immediately thrown out of the session ...I had been shot in the arm..not really naturally, but the sensation was exactly the same...(and before anyone asks..I have been shot five times in my life so I know what it feels like)...I could see the blood (though it was not there) and suffered several moments of excruciating pain until my good old left brain woke up and told me to get a grip...This was really the first time I had let anyone actually task me in RV for quite a while and it was sort of strange to try out the old wheels again... Anyhow...welcome aboard Skye...we have missed ya... Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< virgin greeneyed Celtic Maidens. .... >> Huh?!?!?!?!? ... not in the Ireland that I know..hahaha ---- stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< Any first year analyst would throw up his hands at such a willy nilly effort to teach that did not include the administrative support. >> Except I am not giving out diplomas or degrees...once a student has been given a target...and I have given them their "end site" feedback...it is a finished item...I would not normally give that student that target again so what is the point of keeping those "ist year analyst" target books...I am not going to attack the site...just view it for the purpose of providing my student a training experience and a few moments of fun...no need to document that sort of thing...Thanx for the comment however... Gene.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< choosing, cueing and handling targets >> little leery of the word cueing...you saw my target...that is all I ever give..not many cues there...you either go to the right site or you do not...it really is that easy...Now a good monitor (and of course as ALWAYS...you should have a monitor EVERY TIME you RV or don't do it...simple right...)...anyhow...the monitor may have to figure out if you are actually in the right place at the target...stand next to Newport Beach, California and look East...will you see anything that would cue you to the fact you are at the beach...probably not ..unless you figure seagulls only exist at the beach...(Ask Brigham Young about that)...therefore, if I believe in the magic (and I do...)...when a viewer who is suppose to be at Newport Beach begins giving me traffic, houses, streets etc..then I tell them to look over their shoulder and face in that direction...(you can't simply tell them to "turn around"...they may do a 360 degree and wind up exactly in the same place...or maybe a 45 degree....still no ocean...so you need to get them to turn around in the opposite direction..and the word "opposite" will not work either...trust me ...that is one oc the no no words that good monitors know never to use...it produces only confusion...The point being...without a monitor,you are not Remote Viewing, you are joyriding...and a good monitor knows not to normally give the same target to the same viewer a second time...therefore ... why the need for the records...and as for cueing..trust in the magic...the Viewer will go where they are suppose to go without clues or cues.... Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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<< what the auther mean when he say " dimensional target" thanks Eyal >> Eyal..Shalom...I am not "the Author"...I am Gene and prefer to be called Gene....A dimensional target is a target which leads very strange parallel or dimensional abberations...(strange places)...these are the words I use because I am not as smart as Bill P and MaryD and folks like that who use all sorts of "quantum mechanic" terms...I just use the words which describe what the viewer is likely to find... thanx Eyal for the question... Gene.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
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23:07:26
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00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098 rough brown grainy hard, mound shape. dry seem to move in time, tropical humid, square structure, green growth. move back to brown mound shape. I dont know what this is or what to do. I move thru this brown, and it is black. Just blackness. I seem to be moving fast, then I see something white, then its white with a black center. Then I am in some sort of white worm hole energy moving fast, this feels long snakelike, coils inside. I am inside this moving fast. Then it seems I am dumped out at or in space. Colors, nebulas all about vibrant reds blues, whites, nebulas looking. I am moving again thru colors, seem to come to a barrier, feels like thick gelatin, push thru this, them I am at a bright yellow gold shape, triangle. at the top of this seems to be a white sphere, but it is rotating send out off shoots, white little sparks or like little stars. I go into this, this now seems like the center of something, its white but swirling like a galaxy, fingers of stars coming out from this. Crazy huh....? ~T~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Irish Maidens
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/758)
23:07:36
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<< I note that you are married to a beautiful Virgin American-Indian Princess.....You had best not talk up Irish maidens to much. >> Let me take care of the light work Liam... Since the Irish (Celts) visited what is now the Americas long before any romance language speaking "explorer"..by the time these errant Portuguese, Spanish, English latecomers arrived, the Celts had met, wooed and left their mark on the wonderful and magic people of this continent...Liam 's lovely bride no doubt carries many of these very old Celtic genes and therefore the attraction by an Celt warrior like Liam was a foredrawn conclusion....and like Liam said...most of our ladies are not green-eyed, nor red-haired nor do they have freckles...we are actually more akin to the Semitic people than we are to Indo-Europeans...not us...we come from the mid-east my friend before the time of Christ...long before...and therefore raven black hair and darker skin is quite common in my homeland...as to the dichotomy of a growing population and virginal matrilineal line...well...this is Ireland my friend...and "its an Irish thing...you just would not understand..."...hahah... Sorry to steal you thunder Liam...but could not resist... Gene.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Multiple worlds QM refs
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/759)
23:07:50
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Bill Pendergrass wrote: > I posted this with the wrong heading.( target site) which must have been > confusing...so here it is again with a more appropriate heading Geeez...Thanks Bill...one more paper to inundate me with the potential to quote others.... This is cool. A deep Essay on Future from me is forthcoming. I have been having some serious thought to the Future issue... and I believe many of us have taken some obscure models for granted ... it amounts to a meme. Besides that, we have come to muddled the ACTIVITY of the future with the inherent NATURE of Future. In a nutshell (for those who can stretch their cognitive functions), the invention of the clock has made us into automaton. We have pretty much absorb the consequences of the Industrial age to the point of obscuring our OWN bodily internal clocks. The reality is...long ago during our Agriculture Age we relied on CHANGES. Before then, of course, we lived for the day...for the "catch" of the day. We looked at the Sun and the Moon sequences to determine the events of the day. We looked at the Seasons to determine when to harvest. But back then, people had a child-like simplicity in that ... they lived in the NOW. This "simplicity" can be observe in our young ones today as we watch them struggle to understand the significance between "today," "yesterday," and "tomorrow." Eventually they come to understand and forget this major and important mental struggle. Although the word "tomorrow" existed and still exist in the English language it had less than an impact back then than now in the Digital Age. The agrarian sophistication eventually had to be established to conduct synchronous "timely" trade agreements, therefore, an advancement into using accurate clocks --- which imply the importance of future. Thus, when Greek philosophers started questioning the world, without the aid of technology, they saw a totally different scenario. To be locked in an ancient Greek mentality would be like going from 3D to 2D. Not unlike indigenous tribes that exist in the various forest of the world who have less of a need for "understanding" the future and ITS events. Anyway, to understand the future I believe we must come to understand the anatomy of CHANGE and what it entails at a Macro Future and Micro future level. The Greek philosopher, Heraclitus tackled the problem of CHANGE until he eventually snapped...by concluding "We never step twice in a river." This is a very deep insightful image. Today we find ourselves asking "Is the Future the product of an event, or is the event the product of the future." RV stands at its predicament in that by most definition it is a process that non sensually "OBSERVES" distant people, places, things and EVENTS versus the ACTIVITY of CHANGING distant people, places, things and events under the umbrella of a Macro Future. electrix stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Irish Maidens
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/760)
23:08:11
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Hmmm Perhaps, Gene, But despite what you think I am not a British agent. Pendergrass ( dervived from Prendergraft) has an Irish coat of arms...but it is not Celtic. It was carried to Ireland by Danish Vikings in the 8-9th century...undoubtedly attracted by stories of Celtic Maidens. >Irish thing...you just would not understand..."...hahah... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
Theta
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/761)
23:08:42
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Dear Michael, I am writing email to you privately from our Stargate List.I'm rather a lurker since I feel 'way behind on most of the information everyone has shared. I am very interested in your comments about Theta. My husband has a sleep disorder I am sure you are familiar with called sleep apnea. A year ago he went to a sleep lab to find out what can be done for this condition. He was told that he does not get to the 'delta' stage in his sleep; he will pull himself sharply back into Theta, or deeper levels of it rather than getting to Delta. I thought this very unusual! Do you have any ideas or comments about this? He also has studied about the four basic levels of brain states, and tells me there has been a recently discovered level called 'gamma'. Have you any information about this? I apologise for the email intrusion, but sometimes feel overwhelmed by the list's size. Thanks in advance.... Best wishes, Laura Fallon, MysticInsights@... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/762)
23:09:05
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Re: [stargate] target site ...and as for cueing..trust > in the magic...the Viewer will go where they are suppose to go without clues > or cues.... > Gene... > -- Yeah, Do I need a dose of that positive mental atitude! I think maybe I should try reading these words before each session. Rich MPB stargate : Message: [stargate]
(Fwd) Re: [stargate] target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/763)
23:09:21
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As I am supposed to forward this to the list, here is mine and what I sent Gene. Peace and Joy Dirk ============= Hi Gene, Well - to start - I haven't a clue what I am doing so my structure is untrained and unlike anyone elses, but here goes... Target: 00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098 hot sloping green AI -grass course AI stone smoke/mist loud AI wrong brown tender mushy AI mud AOL house/dwelling AI horses running (black or dark) sound - thuds - pounding sound - clank - metallic AI fighting AOL sword fighting sound - horn like AOL battle trumpet/horn sound large loud deep thud AOL cannon fire AOL civil war battlefield //break// Green: cool/wet/damp/squeeky Hot: very hot/AI burning hands Loud: white/peace Course: hard/gritty/AI stone/AI slate gray Smoke/mist: choking/astringent/sharp/acrid/AI burning sensation/AI ear ache and pressure/AI neck ache - sharp pain Sloping: sloping right moderately/AI hill Brown: musty/rich color/AI pain in right fingers/AI pain in upper back Tender: AI pain all over - intense/AOL anger Mushy: oozing/red/AOL blood //break// Sound - thuds: AOL General Lee //break// AOL soldiers on horse back - leather saddles //break// AOL - lots of energetics - canon fire. At this point, I don't see a reason to continue based on your directions. I am getting a lot of imagery which I find unusual for me. I don't do visual imagery. I seem to have locked onto an idea of a civil war battlefield and it keeps recurring. I have no idea if this has something to do with the target, or whether I have just wandered off down a primrose path. But continuing is only likely to continue to have this dominating. And given your direction not to return to the to target ..... Interesting anyway - thanks Dirk stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/764)
23:09:43
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>Hello Skyemberr...glad to see Steve finally allowed you on the net..now all Hi Gene, Finally allowed? No. I just didn't realise Skyemberr wanted to join. She mentioned it once ages ago but it slipped my mind until you reminded me on her behalf. Welcome to the list, Sarah/Skyemberr! >now all hell will break loose...I now have two of my former students on the net >Steve...I have enough for a quorum...nobody can come at me now..I will sic my >students on them...hahah You know, if all hell breaks lose, it is easy for me to highlight three names and click "Unsubscribe." Just thought you'd like to know.. :) Best regards, Steve. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/765)
23:09:54
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Hi Gene, Ok, I tried not to go back to the site, but I found myself there as I am going to sleep. Some disturbing stuff and a heavy AOL of Arlington National Cemetery, the Tomb of the Unknowns and the burial grounds. AOL of a very closeup view of a face - like a mountain lion -beiges and whites with big brown eyes. Strong EI of danger/terror/evil associated with this image. Strong EI's of strength, sorrow, loss, love, anger, regret, terror and strong emotions that I know, but have no words for. Strong AI's of pain, and things I cannot describe. I don't know the words to put to them. END SESSION - close End already Dirk stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/766)
23:10:03
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I'll play ; - ) Target 00x/001/004/008/09 up, down, curve up, curve down, straight slippery, wavy, fast, sticky, wet, water. Feeling of movement, flowing, swirling, power. Small coming together into a whole. Natural, nature, cyclic with straight flowing peaks. Sudden drop. Hidden entrance behind. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/767)
23:10:14
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00X /001 /004 /008 /098 soft, fresh, dim, misty, rolling, time crumbling, hard, fitted, irregular, grey gaps, broken, partial, eternal cold, chilling yet warmth and heat sound of waves, or wind on long grass, sound of birds timelessness, striving, proud, stirring ridged, ringed, enclosed yet set apart treeless, timeless rows on rows tall reaching for the sky banners, embrasures, balancing, balanced celebration, demarkation, delineation a cup forgotten yet remembered blackened by accident briary, thorny, clinging cut and shaped with pride and love sunlight and stars rounded oblongs, lying on grass seen but unseen terrible yet awesome fruit of man, built for eternity forces built in of past and future towering, passing time, a maze an island within an island home of a rose, blossoming Summary: structure, not complete, ancient materials, built with a distinct dual purpose, a 'gateway'. Holds a secret and a mystery. Bevy J stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/768)
23:10:23
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<< You know, if all hell breaks lose, it is easy for me to highlight three names and click "Unsubscribe." Just thought you'd like to know.. :) Best regards, Steve. >> There you go acting the Saxon again...heheheh stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/769)
23:10:31
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<< Strong EI's of strength, sorrow, loss, love, anger, regret, terror and strong emotions that I know, but have no words for. >> Stop you are in an AOL drive...you are not on target..do not go back...I will send you feedback separation... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/770)
23:10:40
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suffered several moments of excruciating pain until my good old >left brain woke up and told me to get a grip...>> Yeah Gene, but you were a trooper and tried to continue with the session.... moaning about the "bad man".. hehehehe "This was really the first time >I had let anyone actually task me in RV for quite a while and it was sort of >strange to try out the old wheels again... >Anyhow...welcome aboard Skye...we have missed ya... >Gene... >---- I have missed y'all too...glad to see some faces I recognize again. *grinz* ~Sarah stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/771)
23:10:52
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> 00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098 > Here goes, but I'm afraid that it's not at all structured, as I haven't had any training: Flat, wide, horizontal but going up to right, green, brown, grey, spacious, clear, old, depth of view. Rock/stone, solid, natural, space underneath, sheltering, dark, alone, unease. Flesh, skin, leathery, sliding, slipping, motion. Movement, white, swirling. Got AOLs of slithery lizards :-) Emotions confused, calm but then uneasy. At one point I got an acrid taste in my mouth with the AOL of a volcano. I'm sorry but I don't really know what it is, other than I get the impression of spaciousness and age. Thanks for the practice. -- All the best, Glyn stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/772)
23:11:01
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<< 00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098 >> This is my first attempt at RV & since I haven't had any training, I'll try not to waste too much of your time: Uhhhh ... OK ... huh-huh! ... Uhhhh... OK ... There's this thing and it's like uhhh ... kinda shaped like an A-frame but flat across the top ... and uhhh .... huh- huh! ... I dunno ... huh-huh ... cool! -- John Burke stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site--session results
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/773)
23:11:12
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Here goes: Target 00X/001/004/008/098 S2: red, brown, green, dark, open, wide, hot, flat, vertical AOL: paratroop jump tower noise, caughing, dry AI: exciting Sketch:horizontal lines depicting ground / vertical lines depicting structure / rectangular & circular lines at top of vertical lines depicting platform S4: yelling, excitement, rapid/energetic activity, dragging, lifting, high, massive, spindley, metallic, grey, smooth SKETCH: irregular oval with smaller oval inside at upper (to top of page) center edge. vertical lines above and below larger oval. round, square, hot, dusty Summary: Large flat open terrain with tall structure (not solid). Structure not for habitation. Moveable or with moving parts. Rises symetrically and has platform or enclosed area or device on top larger than vertical section. Energy and activity, excitment, urgency/determination . I'm sure that is full of descriptions and labels but how do you avoid that? Rich stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site feedback
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/774)
23:11:20
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Can I make a suggestion that when someone puts a coordinate for viewer practice on the stargate or other list, that the viewers email their session privately to the tasker? I was planning to do this target but got too frontloaded by the other session summaries that were sent via the list. Got another one, Gene, that we can do without so much frontloading? Kind regards Angela stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site feedback
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/775)
23:11:31
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Re: [stargate] target site feedback Hi Angela, Could I suggest a compromise. Just have them put in the subject of their message "target description" or some such. I'm just beginning RV practice and reading the different appraches is quite educational. I'd hate to have them completely deleted. Also, that way I can make sure Gene doesn't play favorites. Easy big guy just kiddin'...... Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site feedback
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/776)
23:11:42
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Sounds good to me. Bill Pendergrass wrote: > > Hi Angela, Could I suggest a compromise. Just have them put in the > subject of their message "target description" or some such. I'm just stargate : Message: [stargate]
Feedback...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/778)
23:11:55
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OK...to all of you who submitted your reports...many of whom I sent personal feedback reports back...I stopped sending feedbacks to reports which came after some fo the reports starting appearing on the Makelist...Interesting exercise...Thanx for the response....for those of you who did not respond...now wouldn't you like to know what the target was?.....Well you won't get it from me...sorry...that would be unethical and would provide the viewers with a method of actually getting the target by simply jumping a little bit ahead in time yesterday to today when the feedback would have been posted...Nope..I never make it easy on a Viewer...that is why my students call me Ghengis Gene the Monitor from Hell... If you want to ask any of the respondents...please feel free... Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site feedback
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/779)
23:12:04
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<< I was planning to do this target but got too frontloaded by the other session summaries that were sent via the list. Got another one, Gene, that we can do without so much frontloading? >> The idea was that everyone would respond at the same time..then everyone would be able to see everyone's else's responses and while they are all waiting patiently, I would provide feedback to each person separately..privately...then come back and tell everyone what the target actually was...it did not work...Oh well...Let me think about whether I want to do another one or not.... Gene...... stargate : Message: [stargate]
New Target Practice Group
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/780)
23:12:15
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Hi All: Judging by the fact that the last 30-40 posts were all basically session summaries or discussion of Gene's target, which thanks to Gene, we're never know what it was (thanks Gene! ;-), I guess there is a need for what I am announcing here now: The RV Target Practice List. To join, send a blank email to targets-subscribe@.... Topics? For posting of Target Practice coordinates, session summaries, and feedback - ONLY. I look forward to seeing some of you there! Everyone is encouraged to join, post their own targets, etc! The purpose of this list? To give target practice it's own list (encouraging people to post their own targets etc), and to help keep the Star Gate list free of regular bombardments of session summaries as we've seen in the last couple of days. Hope to see you there! Best regards, Steve. stargate : Message: [stargate]
Feedback...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/781)
23:12:39
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Susan..I am not picking on you dear...but I want to single your report out for the rest of the audience here...first off...congratulations...you nailed it...Now I bet you are scratching your head and asking what it was you nailed because you still have no idea where you were or what you were "seeing"...WELL OF COURSE YOU DON"T...that is the secret behind RV...the viewer..when they really are on target and really in the altered state...have no clue what it is they are viewing...that is the responsbility of the Monitor...and don't start with me on this one again guys and gals...I will not respond... Now moving back to Susan's report here...(keep that puzzled look on your face Susan...this will get worse as we go...) Subj: Re: [stargate] target site response Date: 8/6/98 8:21:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: obe@... (Susan Taylor) Reply-to: stargate@... To: stargate@... Curran2106@... wrote: > OK...if that is the way you want to play... > This will be another dimensional target...have fun.... > > 00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098 There is a first time for most things...some of them we never remember and some we remember forever. No paratrooper ever remembers their first jump...all lovers remember their first "time"...It all depends and which area of the brain the excitement wound up being stored...In the case of this target...the excitement was there but it was from a site that is so spectacular and so mysterious that we stupid humans cannot really even fathom the concepts.....and yes, I am going to keep you all waiting even longer as I go on here... This is my first attempt at this--please be tolerant. - I have no tolerance for stupidity but can wait for an eternity for a viewer to find their way... "Window, opening, hole...filled with static, grainy, dots,..black,white, gray...crawling, swarming, moving, energetic...vast, compressed...circle, cone, dot...cold, quiet "- EVERYONE!!!!...look...does anyone see anything here which has been labelled or named?...Nope...nothing here but rich, vibrant descriptions drawn from the illogical right side brain....I have to tell you that I have given this target to others and in fact Aquaserene loves this place so much she visits it like most people go to the gym for a workout...This is as good as it gets in terms of describing this place... I have know idea what any of this represents - (Of course you don't, if you did, the session would have been a flop...) My best dumb guess would be a TV screen tuned in to a channel that had gone off the air for the night. - Hahahahah...wow...that is beautiful...splendiferous...what a description of what you saw..... It was fun, however. - I'll bet!!!!! Susan OK....you will now have to go to the next posting to get the actual target... sorry for the melodrama...but do not want to put feedback and results on same page...makes it too easy for the viewer...its complicated..has to do with future viewing and I do not want to get that one started again... Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site feedback
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/782)
23:12:54
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>The idea was that everyone would respond at the same time..then everyone would >be able to see everyone's else's responses and while they are all waiting >patiently, I would provide feedback to each person >separately..privately...then come back and tell everyone what the target >actually was...it did not work...Oh well...Let me think about whether I want >to do another one or not.... Hi Gene, I believe I may have just created the solution! :) Since the new Target Practice list (see last mail) is going to be moderated (for many good reasons), what you are looking for would, I believe, be possible. It would be possible, for example, for targets to be assigned on one day (for example, Mondays), and I would keep any session summaries that are submitted to the list until a set day, for example Thursdays, and allow all to be posted on that day - at the same time. That way, people could avoid frontloading or reading other's data etc until Thursday quite safely. Also, if a separate list is created, it will be much easier to moderate it specifically with dishing out targets in mind. And since that will be it's sole reason, targets could be assigned fairly regularly by many people, without fear of bogging down the Star Gate list. I hope you'll be interested enough to sign up for the new list, and that all those who'd like to take part in future targets will come too. That would seem to solve most of these problems. And you could post as many targets as you liked! People who post targets are welcome to include in their post what days they would like to see the session summaries posted etc, and I will arrange that. Hope to see you there! Best regards, Steve. stargate : Message: [stargate]
Feedback...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/783)
23:13:02
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OK guys and gals...I have asked Susan if I can release her report and my feedback...it is afterall, her report...if she releases it or says I can...I will tell you all at one time what the target was...ain't I mean????? Gene.... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site feedback
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/784)
23:13:14
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<< Hope to see you there! Best regards, Steve. >> BTW..forgot to mention it..but lots of folks who sent in their findings did get personal and private feedback reports from me including what the target actually was...if any of them want to release my feedback reports..they are also at liberty to do so...(and you know who you are!!!!!!) Gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site feedback
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/785)
23:13:29
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<< Hope to see you there! Best regards, Steve. >> Steve..thanx for the offer...but like I have always said...I am not a viewer...I am a monitor...and would be of little use to you on the list...I will just continue to watch...I just wanted to liven things up...guess I did...and btw..if Susan says I can release the target data, I will...but only if she says so... gene... stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site feedback
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/786)
23:13:42
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>will just continue to watch...I just wanted to liven things up...guess I >did...and btw..if Susan says I can release the target data, I will...but only >if she says so... Hi Gene, I thought you might like the idea of a Target Practice list. I think you'd be at home there somehow :) Every week, twice a week, once every two weeks, whatever, you could give out a new target for people to view. You did a good job of that here. It was interesting to watch. It's just that it seems like you'd like target practice to be a regular thing. There's been at least two or three on this list. There's clearly an interest in it. So much so, that everyone stopped to watch. There's nothing wrong with that, only that 10 or more people want to post their sessions, and my worry is that it might have the effect of sidelining other discussions. But that is not to say that target practice is not important or does not have it's place. I have already gone ahead and created the Target Practice list now. The list would be ideally suited to doing what you do here with posting targets etc, and you could post targets etc, along with perhaps a few others out there who might like to do the same, without worrying about it affecting rv/psi discussion on the Star Gate list. There's room for both. What I'm really saying, is that I'd like there to be a choice given to people. I think separating target practice onto a separate list would help target practice pick up, because targets could be posted more often or more of them than if they were done here, but at the same time, the Star Gate list would not be affected by the target practice, since it would be on a different list. Does that make sense? I think the Star Gate list can only cope with a certain amount of target practice before other conversation must be sidelined. I also think target practice would work better on a moderated list, because the timing of posts could be *scheduled*, i.e. target coordinates on Monday, sessions on Wednesday, feedback on Friday. That can't be done without a moderated list, and I still have no desire to make Star Gate a moderated list. Anyway, you'd be welcome on the new list! Best regards, Steve. stargate : Message: [stargate]
Permission Granted...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/787)
23:13:53
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OK ... Folks...Susan gave me permission to send my private feedback to her to the rest of you...enjoy... Gene... SUSAN... WOW..great job...you followed the rules even if you did not know the protocols and as a result..you nailed this one darlin....nailed it... In the Andromeda Cluster...several billion miles from here...there is an example of one of the most wonderfully powerful phenomena known in the universe...the Black Hole. This particular Black Hole is known as Cygnus 181...It is speculated that if an object were to be tossed into a Black Hole it would be disrupted so badly right on down to the quantum levels, that it would vanish only to reappear on a parallel or other dimension. The target was Cygnus 181 and you most definitely got there and witnessed the power and might of this site...right on down to the TV turned off...a beautiful description of how it must be to look into a blank TV and know it leads somewhere....deep back inside...but now nothing can come out..not even light...and that is one of the great mysteries of the Black Hole...the attraction is so great that not even light can escape...Great stuff Susan...keep working with RV..you are a natural.... Gene Kincaid... BTW...I am sending CCs of this to three of my closest associates in RV...Aguaserene and Skyemberr were two of my students who now act in an advisory and consultant capacity...and Liam was one of my teachers and a special guardian angel for me.... Oh, yes...another thing...can I release this report to the Stargate list....?..It is, afterall you "first time" and you may want to keep it private... Gene... . stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site feedback
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/788)
23:14:01
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Bravo Steve for the new target list! One where we can see the answers and compare techniques. If people want to be anonomous they can use a code name, but I think its really going to be valuable to compare the various raw RV analyses with the results. One for the Saxon! Bill stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site feedback
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/789)
23:14:09
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Steve, Your solution sounds like a really good one. I like it. Peace Dirk stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
BLACK HOLE.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/790)
23:14:18
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I assume that when RVers enter a black hole they can come back? Curious in SEattle stargate : Message: [stargate]
(Fwd) Feedback...
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/791)
23:14:28
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Ok folks, Gene offered for us to post our feedback if we care to, so here's mine. I think as Gene suggested that I touched it, but flashed off and flopped so .... here you go. Dirk stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/792)
23:14:44
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Hi Bevy, I just looked at your try on this target. You actually did pretty good! Just AOL ed out at the end but LOOK: >Subject: Re: [stargate] target site > > 00X /001 /004 /008 /098 > > soft, fresh, dim, MISTY,ROLLING TIME > crumbling, hard, fitted, irregular, grey > gaps, broken, partial, eternal > cold, chilling yet warmth and heat ( PERFECT FOR A BLACK HOLE!) stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
BLACK HOLE.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/793)
23:15:01
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<< I assume that when RVers enter a black hole they can come back? Curious in SEattle >> Dear Seattle..... Well, I would assume the all RVers return from black holes as I have spent literally hours playing/exploring in it, trying to comprehend it. The first time I viewed the hole, I watched it at the point of virgin birth. The explosion-implosion was enough to fry you to dust then fry your dust again, then nothing but beautiful, beautiful serene peaceful blackness. (I could say take your breath away but I dont think I had any :-) In exploring the hole I have found an area resembling a vortex, you go in this let loose (all your considerations-beliefs) hang on for the ride of your life. Tumbling rolling twirling, your molecular makeup scattered, somewhere, till it is done with you or you with it, and there you "be" with not a clue as to where you are, totally disoriented, no up or down in or out, big or small. Pretty much back to you native essence state. The balck hole is one of my favorite energies to feel, and I love to feel, and this place feels sooooo very fine. Try it sometime... :-) ~T~ stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
New Target Practice Group
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/794)
23:15:14
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THANKS STEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/795)
23:15:26
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its very good that we doing targets on the list its intresting and we can learn from it Eyal stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site feedback
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/796)
23:15:35
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gene a monitor will be valubale in the new target list Eyal stargate : Message: [stargate]
gene???
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/797)
23:15:42
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hi gene i dont understand people that send you results wont be getting feedback for what the target was? Eyal stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/798)
23:15:56
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Re: Target # 00X/001/004/008/098 Sorry to procrastinate on this target. here is my abbreviated TRV session; Gestalts; man made structure Stage 2 Colors; white, green, brown, reflective, metallic Textures; hard, semi-hard, Smells; acrid Tastes; bitter Temperature; hot, ambient Sounds; loud, crackling, buzzing Dimensions; long, wide, narrow, oval, enclosed, square, inside, outside Aesthetic Impact; familiar Analytical Overlay; electricity (contemporaneous with S2 sounds) Analysis; A lighthouse, traffic light stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
target site
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/799)
23:16:06
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Thanx Bill for doing my analysis...in the future, I will send all of the reports MY viewers do to you just to make sure they pass you approval... Gene.. stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
BLACK HOLE.
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/800)
23:16:19
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<< I assume that when RVers enter a black hole they can come back? Curious in SEattle >> Call roll call...ask them if they are all back home?

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